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Hi, All chromatic B-system players,

I advice any CBA B-system player to copy for himself the entire bookof "Selfteacher" by A. Tusurmanow. The book was published in 1989 inMoscow. So its relatively still very current. It contains 129 pageswith very good description of any needed theoretical featuresencountered by accordion player from the beginner to theprofessional. It could be put on the CD for the future reference. Idid that because one Russian book about harmoshka disappeared from theRussian web site. At least I predicted such eventuality and copiedthe picture of the keyboard and a few nice melodies.

It deals only with 3 row chromatic bayan, but it was written aboutRussians, Ukrainians and Belo Russians so called Eastern Slavs. Thissystem is also used extensively in other European countries. I havevery nice book in Polish for 5 row chromatic system B, yet this bookinto other languages. If this would be translated, it would have tohave the list of songs and melodies from other parts of the world.Those Eastern Slavic songs are unknown elsewhere, and a few of themhave melodies that go back to bygone era, and I wonder if they evenplay them in Russia anymore.

Yet, I found in it already a few fingering errors. I use my ownfour fingering pattern that I work on when I learn every melody. Ialso use the thumb sparingly when there is too big stretch when goingdown or up.As, I see it, the fingering pattern cannot be made universal. Thereare some general things, but many fingering patterns have to beadjusted accordingly to physiological features of every individual.

Overall, it is very good book for reference, but I do not intend todrop PA for the sake of learning chromatic. I'm too old to startall over the whole process. According to what I know now aboutchromatic accordions systems, I would first study the piano accordionanyway, and only after five six years would picked up the chromatic.It would be B system only, because in my opinion this is more naturalsystem that can be learned intuitively. I also found out that thechords on 3 row chromatic could be much easier drilled and mastered.At least it is my own preference.

No wonder many virtuosos of Eastern Slavic origin do not change to 5row B system chromatic, even if the opportunity to own it and to buyit shows up. They do very well just plying 3 row bayan - achromatic button accordion that has that system in existence since themiddle of XIX century. Nobody can say positively and surely now,that the accordion is going to the tubes in the future.

The above is thanks to Rashid who providing that link.

2006-07-06 05:08:58 UTC

Thanks for the information w.d. I've just purchased a 5-row CBAB-system accordion, and after 4 days I'm really loving it. I've onlyplayed the Piano keyboard Accordion in the past, but I want to learnthe CBA. I'm a sponge for resources on learning this instrument. Ihope I will be able to find a good teacher in the Los Angeles / OrangeCounty area of souther California. Thus far my extensive search jasyeilded nothing.I'll be combing this web group for all the information I can find.RobRoy

Post by w.d.Hi, All chromatic B-system players,I advice any CBA B-system player to copy for himself the entire bookof "Selfteacher" by A. Tusurmanow. The book was published in 1989 inMoscow. So its relatively still very current. It contains 129 pageswith very good description of any needed theoretical featuresencountered by accordion player from the beginner to theprofessional. It could be put on the CD for the future reference. Idid that because one Russian book about harmoshka disappeared from theRussian web site. At least I predicted such eventuality and copiedthe picture of the keyboard and a few nice melodies.It deals only with 3 row chromatic bayan, but it was written aboutRussians, Ukrainians and Belo Russians so called Eastern Slavs. Thissystem is also used extensively in other European countries. I havevery nice book in Polish for 5 row chromatic system B, yet this bookinto other languages. If this would be translated, it would have tohave the list of songs and melodies from other parts of the world.Those Eastern Slavic songs are unknown elsewhere, and a few of themhave melodies that go back to bygone era, and I wonder if they evenplay them in Russia anymore.Yet, I found in it already a few fingering errors. I use my ownfour fingering pattern that I work on when I learn every melody. Ialso use the thumb sparingly when there is too big stretch when goingdown or up.As, I see it, the fingering pattern cannot be made universal. Thereare some general things, but many fingering patterns have to beadjusted accordingly to physiological features of every individual.Overall, it is very good book for reference, but I do not intend todrop PA for the sake of learning chromatic. I'm too old to startall over the whole process. According to what I know now aboutchromatic accordions systems, I would first study the piano accordionanyway, and only after five six years would picked up the chromatic.It would be B system only, because in my opinion this is more naturalsystem that can be learned intuitively. I also found out that thechords on 3 row chromatic could be much easier drilled and mastered.At least it is my own preference.No wonder many virtuosos of Eastern Slavic origin do not change to 5row B system chromatic, even if the opportunity to own it and to buyit shows up. They do very well just plying 3 row bayan - achromatic button accordion that has that system in existence since themiddle of XIX century. Nobody can say positively and surely now,that the accordion is going to the tubes in the future.http://accordion.newmail.ru/man/bayan1.ziphttp://accordion.newmail.ru/man/bayan2.zipThe above is thanks to Rashid who providing that link.Enjoy it,W.D.

2006-07-06 10:10:50 UTC

Post by RobRoyThanks for the information w.d. I've just purchased a 5-row CBAB-system accordion, and after 4 days I'm really loving it. I've onlyplayed the Piano keyboard Accordion in the past, but I want to learnthe CBA. I'm a sponge for resources on learning this instrument. Ihope I will be able to find a good teacher in the Los Angeles / OrangeCounty area of souther California. Thus far my extensive search jasyeilded nothing.I'll be combing this web group for all the information I can find.RobRoy

It was very smart decision on your part to pick up B-system chromatic.The B-system chromatic is more intuitive and useful for playing chordsor mixing chords and the single notes passages.

I practice now on 3 row Ukrainian bayan with basses similar toStradella. I was very frustrated before when I started to learn fiverows chromatistics because of fingering patterns, but I learned tomake my own fingerings along as I practice. I really enjoy make my ownfingering pattern puzzles.I think that chromatic accordion players deserve lot of credit,respect and admiration. This is much harder instrument to master thanthe PA due to the choice of a few ways how fingers can be used, learnedand easily forgotten. If you overcome that initial stalemate, you willbe on the way to success.

Until you find a teacher, please practice some melodies from thatRussian book that you can get for free from the link that RashidKarimov from NY placed for us. Do that only on three-four rows withfour fingers only and the thumb occasionally. Do not forget to practicefrom memory and drill every song till you can play it without lookingat the keyboard.

PS. What model of CBA did you get and who made it?

2006-07-06 20:15:58 UTC

I'm not sure which model I have but the brand name is Morelli. Icertain it was made in China, but it is new and cost just $700. It has96 Stradella base. It has 6 trable switches, and two base switches. Iordered a book on playing the CBA. It should help. I looks like I'mon my own teaching myself. I can do it but it may take longer and alittle more frustration. But I like a challenge.thanks for the encouragement.RobRoy

It was very smart decision on your part to pick up B-system chromatic.The B-system chromatic is more intuitive and useful for playing chordsor mixing chords and the single notes passages.I practice now on 3 row Ukrainian bayan with basses similar toStradella. I was very frustrated before when I started to learn fiverows chromatistics because of fingering patterns, but I learned tomake my own fingerings along as I practice. I really enjoy make my ownfingering pattern puzzles.I think that chromatic accordion players deserve lot of credit,respect and admiration. This is much harder instrument to master thanthe PA due to the choice of a few ways how fingers can be used, learnedand easily forgotten. If you overcome that initial stalemate, you willbe on the way to success.Until you find a teacher, please practice some melodies from thatRussian book that you can get for free from the link that RashidKarimov from NY placed for us. Do that only on three-four rows withfour fingers only and the thumb occasionally. Do not forget to practicefrom memory and drill every song till you can play it without lookingat the keyboard.PS. What model of CBA did you get and who made it?Enjoy it,W.D.

2006-07-06 23:29:29 UTC

Post by RobRoyI'm not sure which model I have but the brand name is Morelli. Icertain it was made in China, but it is new and cost just $700. It has96 Stradella base.>>>

What is your opinion about its general performance: the musette sound,responsiveness of reeds to bellows movement, the easiness to open andclose bellows, the softness of bass buttons, weight and overall feel ofit while playing or so called ergonomic design.

If you do not want to tell this in this forum, please drop me theprivate note n the e-mail. I will be discrete about it if you wish.I'm asking because, I thought myself about buying Chinese CBA. CBA'sare overall very expensive, but probably the dealers get them foraround $275-$300 directly from the factory. One time before around2003, I was offered the dealership and distribution in USA of CBAsmall Chinese accordions but I was connected with Delicia at that timeand wasn't interested in them. Delicia went out of accordion businessat the end of 2004. Delicia made very nice CBA accordions but theaccordion market wasn't strong enough for all manufacturing.

2006-07-07 04:20:39 UTC

My 5-row Morelli weighs appxmtly 21.5 pounds. I wish it was lighter.I like the musette sound. The bass does well either soft volume orloud. The reaction (key to sound) is good. I think it is quick. Insome ways I like it better than my old Excelsior, but you shouldremember that I've played only one other accordion besides the ones Ijust bought. I tested one other Excelsior in the shop where I boughtthe symphony grand. Not counting the 2 boxes I owned 15 years ago, butI don't recall anything about those except that one of them was aParrot.RobRoy

Post by RobRoyI'm not sure which model I have but the brand name is Morelli. Icertain it was made in China, but it is new and cost just $700. It has96 Stradella base.>>>

Thank you Rob for disclosing the name of your accordion. Since you areknowledgeable about workings of piano accordions, I'm sure you are alsoable to tell what is overall quality of Morelli's CBA's. They looknice on the pictures.What is your opinion about its general performance: the musette sound,responsiveness of reeds to bellows movement, the easiness to open andclose bellows, the softness of bass buttons, weight and overall feel ofit while playing or so called ergonomic design.If you do not want to tell this in this forum, please drop me theprivate note n the e-mail. I will be discrete about it if you wish.I'm asking because, I thought myself about buying Chinese CBA. CBA'sare overall very expensive, but probably the dealers get them foraround $275-$300 directly from the factory. One time before around2003, I was offered the dealership and distribution in USA of CBAsmall Chinese accordions but I was connected with Delicia at that timeand wasn't interested in them. Delicia went out of accordion businessat the end of 2004. Delicia made very nice CBA accordions but theaccordion market wasn't strong enough for all manufacturing.Best Regards,W.D.

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